Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] arm64: dts: freescale: add Ka-Ro Electronics tx8m-1610 COM

[Matti Vaittinen]

On 30/10/2025 10:54, Lothar Waßmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 16:35:25 +0100 Maud Spierings wrote:
> > Hi Matti,
> >
> > On 10/29/25 11:05, Matti Vaittinen wrote:
> > > On 29/10/2025 11:48, Lothar Waßmann wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:42:17 +0200 Matti Vaittinen wrote:
> > > > > On 29/10/2025 09:11, Lothar Waßmann wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 14:10:04 +0100 Maud Spierings wrote:
> > > > > > > On 10/28/25 13:42, Maud Spierings wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 10/28/25 13:15, Matti Vaittinen wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > Could/Should this be described using the:
> > > > > > > > > 'rohm,feedback-pull-up-r1-ohms' and
> > > > > > > > > 'rohm,feedback-pull-up-r2-ohms'? If I understand the comment
> > > > > > > > > correctly, that might allow the driver to be able to use correctly
> > > > > > > > > scaled voltages.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.18-rc1/source/Documentation/
> > > > > > > > > devicetree/bindings/regulator/rohm,bd71837-regulator.yaml#L108

// snip

> > > > > If real voltages aren't matching what is calculated by the driver, then
> > > > > the voltages requested by regulator consumers will cause wrong voltages
> > > > > to be applied. Debug interfaces will also show wrong voltages, and the
> > > > > safety limits set in the device-tree will not be really respected.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this would be well worth fixing.
> > > > >   
> > > > Before doing the real-life test I did the same calculation that's done
> > > > in the driver to be sure that it will generate the correct values:
> > > > bc 1.07.1
> > > > Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2012-2017
> > > > Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> > > > This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
> > > > For details type `warranty'.
> > > > fb_uv=0
> > > > r1=2200
> > > > r2=499
> > > > min=800000
> > > > step=10000
> > > > # default voltage without divider
> > > > min+30*step
> > > > 1100000
> > > > min=min-(fb_uv-min)*r2/r1
> > > > step=step*(r1+r2)/r1
> > > > min
> > > > 981454
> > > > step
> > > > 12268
> > > > # default voltage with divider
> > > > min+30*step
> > > > 1349494
> > > >
> > > > Probably we need to use this value rather than the nominal 135000 as
> > > > the target voltage in the DTB.
> > >
> > > Yes. When the driver calculates the voltages which match the actual
> > > voltages, then you should also use the actual voltages in the device-tree.
> > >    

// snip

> > Then setting 1349494 as the actual voltage makes it fully work.
> > Otherwise it complains:
> > buck6: failed to apply 1350000-1350000uV constraint: -EINVAL
> >
> > Final debug output now:
> > [    0.327807] rohm-bd718x7 0-004b: buck6: old range min 800000, step 10000
> > [    0.327813] rohm-bd718x7 0-004b: new range min 981454, step 12268
> > [    0.327819] rohm-bd718x7 0-004b: regulator 'buck6' has FB pull-up
> > configured
> >
> > I will add this fix to the next version of this patchset and include
> > your requested change in the dts.
> Does it also work with min/max settings in the DTS that are taken from
> the designated value +/- 5% tolerance margin, so that the DTS contains
> reasonable values determined by the HW requirements, rather than some
> artificial number that is enforced by the SW behaviour?

I am unsure what you mean by "artificial number that is enforced by the 
SW behaviour"?

As far as I understand, the PMIC operation is altered by modifying the 
feedback-pin voltage, right? So, the HW _really_ outputs something else 
but the 'PMIC nominal voltage'? When this hardware connection to the 
feedback-pin is done, the nominal voltage is never really seen anywhere 
else but the PMIC data-sheet, right?

> E.g.:
> 	regulator-min-microvolts = <(135000 - 6750)>;
> 	regulator-min-microvolts = <(135000 + 6750)>;
> Thus, the nominal value of the voltage is explicitly shown in the DTS
> file.

I don't know why there should be two different min values? Assuming the 
latter should be max - I have no problem seeing a range of allowed 
voltages in constrains - if the hardware can tolerate voltages within 
the range.

In my opinion, the values used should however reflect the _actual_ 
output voltage, taking the effect of the feedback-pin modification into 
account. This is also what using the:
'rohm,feedback-pull-up-r1-ohms'
'rohm,feedback-pull-up-r2-ohms'
and the pull-up voltage property allows one to use.

In general, regulator consumers expect to get the _actual_ voltage the 
regulator outputs, via regulator APIs. Think for example of an ADC 
getting reference voltage from a regulator. If it asks for used voltage 
and gets 1350000uV from the regulator subsystem it will use that to 
calculate the scale. If voltage really is something else, altered by a 
feedback-pin connection, the ADC will be having offset. I don't know if 
voltages reported by the framework matter in your specific use-case - 
but it doesn't mean letting the regulator subsystem use bogus voltages 
is right.

Yours,
	-- Matti

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Matti Vaittinen
Linux kernel developer at ROHM Semiconductors
Oulu Finland

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