Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] arm64: Unmap FF-A lent memory from direct map

[Vincent Donnefort]

Sorry, not sure why Sumit's email was dropped...

On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 11:48:00AM +0100, Vincent Donnefort wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 06:04:06PM +0530, Sumit Garg wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 at 12:33:07 +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2026 at 05:43:08PM +0530, Sumit Garg wrote:
> > > > Looks like you dropped me from your reply.
> > > 
> > > Huh, that's weird. If I hit reply-all ('g') in mutt, it moves the entire
> > > CC list to To: and drops you. I suspect the same thing happened to Thierry
> > > when he replied here:
> > > 
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/arJcN60nagFKXj2Q@orome/
> > > 
> > > I can't figure out why that's happening :/
> > > I manually tried to fix the To: and Cc: lines in this message.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 at 15:55:59 +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > > I spoke to Brendan at LPC (?) last year but this doesn't really work
> > > > > for arm64 because it relies on being able to unmap arbitrary parts of
> > > > > the linear map, which isn't generally possible unless you force pte-level
> > > > > mappings for everything, which is prohibitive for perf/power.
> > > > 
> > > > As per the cover letter it's about allocating pages that are not present
> > > > in the direct map. This essentially fits the protected DMABufs use-case
> > > > where we don't want any kernel mapping to exist at any time. Bufers
> > > > allocated from protected DMABufs are only meant to be accessed by the
> > > > TEE implementation or HW accelerators like in the secure media pipeline.
> > > 
> > > That sounds like it should probably build on top of this series, then.
> > 
> > The main problem I see with this series is it tries to move from the generic
> > CMA allocator to a reserved FF-A CMA pool which again comes from the
> > DT. We already support reserved pool allocations via "no-map" which are
> > discovered dynamically from OP-TEE.
> 
> I can't think of a way around a DT declaration. We need to know what region is
> PTE-level before the direct map is installed and of_reserved_mem is very handy
> for that purpose. And as this PTE-level mapping is costly we certainly only want
> to enable it for platforms that absolutely need it.
> 
> > 
> > If we can rather support a generic CMA like allocator for arm64 which
> > can support unmapped allocations then I am all for it. These platform
> > specific reserved pools isn't a scalable solution.
> 
> What do you mean by generic CMA allocator here? An extension to
> shared-dma-pool? Or having the CMA automatically doing the unmap/map on
> cma_alloc() cma_release()?
> 
> Right now I have created an API for the unmapping/remapping part. It adds a
> burden on the caller, but the alternative solution is introducing post-alloc
> pre-dealloc callbacks in the CMA, which looked a bit overkilled to me when
> the users of that "ffa-pool" are only optee and the nvidia video dma-buf heap.
> 
> -- 
> Vincent
> 
> > 
> > > You could allocate the DMABufs from a CMA region that has no linear alias.
> > 
> > Allocation from generic CMA pool is already the case here:
> > 
> > tee_shm_alloc_dma_mem() ->
> >   dma_alloc_pages()
> > 
> > Do you mean it's just fine to unmap buffers allocated from generic CMA
> > region since it doesn't have any linear alias?
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > Vincent's series tackles that by using a pool so that only that part of
> > > > > memory requires the pte-level mappings in the linear map. That's the
> > > > > whole point of it, so I don't think it makes sense to drop it in favour
> > > > > of Brendan's approach (which doesn't work).
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > For protected DMABufs, we even don't require any pte-level mappings in
> > > > linear map. The whole idea of mapping and unmapping is just a bottleneck
> > > > for performance sensitive secure media pipeline use-cases. That's why if
> > > > we can support __GFP_UNMAPPED with the memory allocator on arm64 would
> > > > be the best fit for this use-case.
> > > 
> > > The point is that you will require pte-level mappings for the linear map
> > > if you want to unmap from it at runtime on arm64. If you don't, then you
> > > can end up needing to split a block mapping (e.g. pmd-level) when you
> > > decide to unmap only part of it and there isn't a safe way to do that on
> > > arm64 without transiently unmapping the entire block, which can lead to
> > > fatal translation faults during that window.
> > 
> > I agree with you here, what I am rather trying to find if on arm64 there
> > is any possibilty to have a generic allocator for unmapped pages. That's
> > the use-case here as well as what Brendan't patch-set was trying to address.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > Now the question is why arm64 can't support __GFP_UNMAPPED similar to
> > > > how Brendan is doing it for x86?
> > > 
> > > Because arm64 != x86? Presumably x86 doesn't have the strict
> > > break-before-make requirements we have on arm64.
> > > 
> > 
> > Sure, sounds like you are eluding to that the generic MM flag
> > __GFP_UNMAPPED being proposed can't be supported on arm64, right?
> > 
> > -Sumit

-- 
Vincent