> > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like getting
> > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then they
> > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club
I do agree with your immediate statement below that the morality of this
discussion has nothing to do with technological viability of the product, so why
did you make the comment earlier? Are changing posititions?
Regardless, my point still stands which you missed in both messages and that is
that, atleast in corporate America, it is a battle to introduce good, new,
quality products that do not have MS branding and anything that can be or is
used to distract from the positive attributes of the product make it harder to
sell to management. Lets face it, atleast here in America, we are not known for
buying the 'best' product in the market, just the best 'marketed' product;
remember the 'Pet-Rock' and yes MS?
Marketing of Linux is just as crucial as any other aspect of Linux and if
profanity in the code can be used against it, then why should we make life
harder for ourselves.
I'll state it again, this isn't a morale issue, this is business and I want to
use the best tools available to me, not forced to use the industry norm because
some bean counter reads about a choice of words used in the sources, and perhaps
for kernel errors, and HE becauses offended!
Barry Treahy
Jeff Merkey wrote:
> The venomous tone in your response is unprofessional and offensive. You
> also need to be careful about attempting character assasination with me. As
> I've been reminded by folks in this forum, this is not the place to debate
> morals or legal issues. Customers also don't really care about "morality"
> issues when it comes to technology solutions, and it doesn't matter one way
> or the other on this issues about whether enterprise customers will adopt
> Linux or not based on moral issues. Look at Microsoft, now there's a
> paragon of morality -- their predatory and ruthless behavior has not slowed
> or hindered sales of their products at all, in fasct, it's their behavior
> that has made them the most powerul and successful sfotware company on the
> planet.. Also, I haven't missed any points, and have seen the entire
> thread. History is replendent with those who take up the banner of "moral
> temperance" for their own personal causes. Most of the wars of history have
> their roots in this type of issue. We should keep this forum technical, and
> allow folks the freedom to express their views, however, they choose to do
> so -- even prof(ane)oundly if they choose to.
>
> Very Truly Yours,
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Treahy <treahy@mmaz.com>
> To: Jeff Merkey <jmerkey@timpanogas.com>
> Cc: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>; Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>;
> <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
>
> > I believe you've missed a couple of the well articulated points; that is
> that
> > people are working hard to present Linux as an acceptable component in
> corporate
> > environments and that anything which casts a negative impression about the
> Linux
> > makes it much harder to fight corporate bean counters that own MicroSloth
> stock.
> >
> > This isn't an issue of morals and you should keep your personal slams to
> > yourself, this is a matter of business and trying to make successful
> inroads
> > with powerful tools that we all recognize have value. Childish statements
> and
> > actions, or in this case profanity, do nothing but foster an attitude for
> those
> > Windoze folks that Linux shouldn't be taken seriously.
> >
> > Whether you like it or not, there are agendas out there and anything that
> can
> > give a product a black-eye will be used to distract or diminish the
> perceived
> > quality or viability in a corporate environment.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > Jeff Merkey wrote:
> >
> > > Who cares! Profanity is like sex, death, and taxes -- it's a part of
> life.
> > > Don't you guys have something more constructive to focus on, like
> getting
> > > real work done to make Linux better? If folks don't like it, then they
> > > should join Jerry Falwell's Radio Preacher "moral majority" club or
> > > something. As swamped as I am with Linux work, I'm surprised folks out
> > > there have enough idel time on their hands to banter this type of stuff.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>
> > > To: Barrett G. Lyon <blyon@netpr.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Profanity in the Linux Kernel?!?!?
> > >
> > > > > >This topic came up several times before, and the result is that
> > > > > >arbitrary censorship of code/comments is not going to happen. The
> > > > > >only exception is in kernel messages which can reach the user in
> the
> > > > > >message logs, and those have been cleaned up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I care.. but.. :
> > > > >
> > > > > ./net/core/profile.c: printk(KERN_CRIT "Yep, guys... our
> > > template
> > > > > for proc_*_read is crappy :-)\n");
> > > > > ./drivers/net/sdladrv.c: printk(KERN_ERR "%s: Damn...
> > > > > Adapter won't start!\n",
> > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR
> > > > > "isdn_common: isdn_poll 1 -> what the hell\n");
> > > > > ./drivers/isdn/isdn_common.c: printk(KERN_ERR "isdn_common:
> isdn_poll
> > > 2
> > > > > -> what the hell\n");
> > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: "
> > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c: printk("SHIT[%s:%d]: "
> > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c:
> printk("instruction_access_exception:
> > > Shit
> > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n",
> > > > > ./arch/sparc64/kernel/traps.c:
> printk("data_access_exception:
> > > Shit
> > > > > SFSR[%016lx] SFAR[%016lx], going.\n",
> > > >
> > > > Proposed config option:
> > > > CONFIG_ENABLE_PROFANITY
> > > > =)
> > > >
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