Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/zswap: Implement proactive writeback

[Shakeel Butt]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2026 at 05:45:04PM +0000, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 01:19:13PM +0900, YoungJun Park wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 03:27:07PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > 
> > +Chris +Kairui +Baoquan
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > Thanks for inviting me to the discussion, Shakeel.
> > 
> > > > > > Youngjun is working on swap tiers. At the moment he is more interested in
> > > > > > allowing a specific swap device to a memcg or not. I can imagine in future there
> > > > > > will be use-cases where there will be a need to demote data on higher tier swap
> > > > > > to lower tier swap. What would be the appropriate interface?
> > 
> > Speaking of my work on swap tiers, I recently submitted a patch and am
> > currently considering memcg integration:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260527062247.3440692-1-youngjun.park@xxxxxxx/
> > 
> > The future use-cases imagined above seem to align with this
> > direction. (BTW, I am currently waiting for reviews/feedback from the memcg
> > folks on this patch. Any reviews would be highly appreciated!)
> > 
> > We could potentially assign a target tier
> > for writeback within the existing memory.zswap.writeback interface. 
> > 
> > For instance, '0' could mean disabled, while non-zero values could represent
> > specific tiers, which would maintain backward compatibility with the current
> > version. Alternatively, if zswap is treated as the default top tier, 
> > the `memory.swap.tiers` interface could potentially replace `memory.zswap.writeback`.
> > 
> > Furthermore, this could be expanded so that each swap tier can demote data
> > user-triggered demotion between swap tiers.
> > 
> > Based on the current patch's ideas combined with my swap tiers concept:
> > 
> > Assuming a hierarchy like:
> > zswap -> tier1 (SSD swap) -> tier2 (HDD swap) -> tier3 (Network swap)
> > 
> > We could configure the active tiers via a setting like `memory.swap.tiers`
> > (tier2 enabled, tier3 enabled).
> > 
> > For example, the concept of `echo "100M zswap_writeback_only > memory.reclaim"`
> > could be extended. A user could run `echo "100M tier2 > memory.reclaim"`
> > to explicitly trigger demotion from tier2 to tier3.
> > (BTW, if we combine these features, my personal preference for the keyword
> > format would be `<size> <demote_prefix><tier_name>`. I think it would be
> > better to explicitly indicate that it is a swap demotion by using a specific
> > prefix followed by the tier name. 
> > Or make demote prefix another key is also possible)
> 
> I am not sure if proactive demotion between swap tiers would be driven
> by memory.reclaim, I am guessing a new interface might be more suitable.
> But yes, you are right that it's very possible that
> 'zswap_writeback_only' with memory.reclaim will become obsolete once
> swap tiering matures and starts supporting things like proactive
> demotion.
> 
> Part of me wants to wait until the swap tiering interfaces are figured
> out so that we don't end up with redundant interfaces, but I also don't
> want to hold Hao's work since it doesn't directly depend on swap
> tiering.
> 
> Shakeel, how do you want to handle this? I think there's a few options:
> 
> 1. Add zswap_writeback_only now, and when we have swap tiering demotion
> it becomes a redundant interface, like memory.zswap.writeback -- or
> maybe we try to deprecate both of them at that point. It's difficult to
> remove interfaces tho, but maybe easier to stop supporting
> zswap_writeback_only.
> 
> 2. Add zswap_writeback_only behind an experimental config option, to
> unblock development but have a line of sight to dropping support once we
> have a swap tiering interface.
> 
> 3. Wait until we figure out the swap tiering interfaces and then add
> the proactive zswap writeback as part of it.
> 
> WDYT?

Is Hao's work needed for some followup work/development? The earliest Hao's
work can is 7.3, so if we aim to figure out swap tiering interfaces in next
couple of weeks then option 3 is the way to go. If swap tiers take more time
then we can discuss other options as well.

However I would need zswap folks (Yosry & Nhat) help in figuring out swap tiers
interfaces. Zswap is the current top tier swap usage in real world. I want
zswap users to eaily (and hopefully transparently) migrate to swap tiers.