Re: umount

[linux-os (Dick Johnson)]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 11/27/05, Jim Crilly <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/27/05 09:01:07PM -0500, Patrick McFarland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday 27 November 2005 20:42, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/27/05, Grant Coady <grant_lkml@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It leaves me with a little distrust of linux' handling of non-locked
>>>>>>> removable media (as opposed to lockable media like a zipdisk or cdrom).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under Windows, if a 1394 drive is unplugged without unmounting, it you
>>>>>> get a pop up dialog on screen telling you that data may be lost, etc.
>>>>>> while under any of the main environments I've tried under Linux
>>>>>> (Gnome, KDE, fluxbox) there are no such messages to the user. I have
>>>>>> not investigated log files very deeply, other than to say that dmesg
>>>>>> will show the drive going away but doesn't say it was a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realize it's probably 100x more difficult to do this under Linux, at
>>>>>> least at the gui level, but I agree with your main point that my trust
>>>>>> factor is just a bit lower here.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, WIndows says that because it is unable to mount a partition as sync,
>>>>> unlike Linux. Linux Desktop Environments simply don't tell the user because
>>>>> no data is lost if they unplug the media.
>>>>
>>>> Both of those statements are not true.
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>  I'm not clear if 'both statements' included any of mine or not? :-)
>>>
>>>  You discussed the event I was thinking of. I am writing to a 1394
>>> drive, bus powered or not, and while the write is occuring I unplug
>>> the cable. Clearly the data being written is not going to finish, and
>>> that's expected, but the 'reduced confidence' issue is that I'm not
>>> told directly of the event. Granted I'll eventually discover it in
>>> some indrect manner, like a GUI action failing or something timing
>>> out. However in Windows I do appreciate the clear message that this
>>> has happened.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>>
>> Doesn't your GUI show a 'console' window? I don't use the GUI,
>> but the last time I checked, there was a 'console' window that
>> showed the error messages. This was standard with Sun.
>>
>> If you can find the 'console' window in your distribution, activate
>> it. If it doesn't have one, contact your vendor or make one. There
>> needs to be some visible evidence that something is going wrong.
>
> xterm -C
>

Right! Thanks.

>
> --
>    -bill davidsen (davidsen@xxxxxxx)
> "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
>  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me
>

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
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