Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path

[Simo Sorce]

On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 10:26 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:55:08AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Simo Sorce <ssorce@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 09:37 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Simo Sorce <ssorce@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 09:11 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No.  The logging daemon thinks it wants to know who the writer is, but
> >> >> >> the logging daemon is wrong.  It actually wants to know who composed a
> >> >> >> log message destined to it.  The caller of write(2) may or may not be
> >> >> >> the same entity.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This works both ways, and doesn't really matter, you are *no* better off
> >> >> > w/o this interface.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If this form of SO_PASSCGROUP somehow makes it into a pull request for
> >> >> >> Linus, I will ask him not to pull it and/or to revert it.  I think
> >> >> >> he'll agree that write(2) MUST NOT care who called it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And write() does not, there is no access control check being performed
> >> >> > here. This call is the same as getting the pid of the process and
> >> >> > crawling /proc with that information, just more efficient and race-free.
> >> >>
> >> >> Doing it using the pid of writer is wrong.  So is doing it with the
> >> >> cgroup of the writer.  The fact that it's even possible to use the pid
> >> >> of the caller of write(2) is a mistake, but that particular mistake
> >> >> is, unfortunately, well-enshrined in history.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I repeat, it is *not* access control.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure it is.
> >> >>
> >> >> Either correct attribution of logs doesn't matter, in which case it
> >> >> makes little difference how you do it, or it does matter, in which
> >> >> case it should be done right.
> >> >
> >> > Well journald can *also* get  SO_PEERCGROUP and log anomalies if the 2
> >> > differ. That is if the log happens on a connected socket.
> >> >
> >> > If the log happens on a unix datagram* then SO_PEERCGROUP is not
> >> > available because there is no connect(), however write() cannot be used
> >> > either, only sendmsg() AFAIK, so the "setuid" binary attack does not
> >> > apply.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Or you could only send SCM_CGROUP when the writer asks sendmsg to send
> >> it, in which case this whole problem goes away.
> >
> > Sending SCM_CGROUP explicitly is also sending cgroup info at write(2) time
> > and if receiver uses that info for access control, it can be problematic.
> >
> 
> Not really.  write(2) can't send SCM_CGROUP.  Callers of sendmsg(2)
> who supply SCM_CGROUP are explicitly indicating that they want their
> cgroup associated with that message.  Callers of write(2) and send(2)
> are simply indicating that they have some bytes that they want to
> shove into whatever's at the other end of the fd.

But there is no attack vector that passes by tricking setuid binaries to
write to pre-opened file descriptors on sendmsg(), and for the other
cases (connected socket) journald can always cross check with
SO_PEERCGROUP, so why do we care again ?

Simo.


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